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 Re: State law requiring kayak training
 
 6/24/2007 2:18:58 PM
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Re: State law requiring kayak training
   You can look at the automobile.  In Mass you need to take a written test then take a road test. There are driving schools to get you prepared for the driving test. So this a form of instruction. States most likely have an age at which the operator can get there driving license.

    Paddling a canoe can be dangerous. So, can riding my bicycle. For that matter hiking and walking could be considered dangerous. Should there be mandatory instruction for these activitys?

    Just another devils advocate. Can never have too many of these.
 6/24/2007 5:13:43 PM
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Re: State law requiring kayak training

 stevie wrote
Constantly accused of playing devil's advocate, I wonder about the potential positives to instruction. There is no laws about paddling and in my limited experience (remember my bio - I am a NEWBIE in all caps), I have seen some real idiots paddling - dangerous to themselves and therefore potentially dangerous to others. Not sure I am all for the legislation but also not opposed to well thought out regulation that might make the "masses" more safe. Legislation will not prevent some of the stupids (just think of laws and drunk driving) but it might help (just think laws about age of drivers). Again, this is a novice speaking who is also not unduly distressed by legislation. I would love a world where the occupants did the responsible thing and the smart thing and the "right" thing but.... just my 2 cents... opinions...
  I don't mind a devil's advocate or two.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (even if it's wrong LOL).  I agree that there are some true idiots paddling out there.  Some because they have no clue, but I also know some that have had different types of instruction and years of experience and should know better but are still dangerous to themselves and others.  I will paddle with the former if I think there is a chance they will see the error in their way.  The latter, no way.  They think they know best.  I've been paddling over 45 years and there are times I feel like the newest of newbies (like the 1st time I tried to paddle a Bell Yellowstone solo-instant swim).  Each time out, I either learn something new or remember/re-enforce some other basic.

Since this is not an ideal world, some law is required to protect all of us from those situations in which we are not able to protect ourselves (too many examples to even begin listing).  But those regulations/laws that are supposed to protect us from ourselves are almost useless.  Common sense can't be legislated.  IE seat belts, bicycle helmets, cell phones when driving, PFD &  whistle for each person, drinking & driving, drugs, need I go on...?  To me, these things are just good sense, law or not.  But some others out there think it doen't apply to them.

From your post, you seem like the type of newbie that would be welcome on our trips... willing to learn the proper aspects of water safety.

Our opinions may appear to be different on the surface, but are probably more similar than different.  Opinions: evrybody has one and they often are worth what they cost...(nothing).


Better to be up the creek without a paddle than to not be on the creek at all.
 6/29/2007 1:40:44 PM
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Re: State law requiring kayak training
In general, I'm opposed to such mandatory "nanny" legislation.  Having said that, I have personally witnessed numerous idjits on the water that are a danger to themselves and others.  For the open water paddling and near shore paddling I'm involved with we have to follow USCG rules of navigation.  Fortunately, the Coasties and Harbor Patrol will agressively cite small paddle craft for blatant violations (Improper channel crossing, right of way, no PFD, stupidity).  Most get off with a stern warning.  I've approached rogue paddlers and offered suggestions but it can be an iffy proposition in some areas.  Perhaps Darwin was right.
 7/1/2007 5:51:59 PM
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Re: State law requiring kayak training
The traffic laws doesn't get the idiots off the road, why would kayaking laws get the idiots off the water?

I started paddling canoes at 11yrs old. I'm 63 now and just finished the, "worlds toughest boat race". Never had a minute of gov'mt training. Common sense was my teacher. Never drowned, never had to be rescued. Got one warning for not having a stinking whisle in my boat, in a tidewater creek no less!

I say let the idiots drown themselves and their idiot gene carriers. More room for the rest of us......JUST kidding, don't get ur panties in a wad.

 7/3/2007 11:24:45 PM
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Re: State law requiring kayak training

52 years and no gov'mt training ?!?!?  How did you possibly survive so long?  Nate, I agree with you 1000%.  One of the scariest phrases we can hear is "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help."  Common sense and experience pay the best dividends in my book. 

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